Shared data proposal (how it'll work, pricing, questions?)

[snuggle (Evie Snuggle)]

It’s not even videos or other people in the house, but Window 10’s silent background updates that constantly download and fail to install.

I haven’t watched a video for ages. Even pausing or trying to disable Windows Update doesn’t work!

[nick (Nick Goodall)]

@smsm1

I though there was a limit of 60GB per sim with Zevvle, so how have you managed 72 GB?

@nick

The maximum usage per SIM is still 60 GB, so higher allowances only apply for multiple SIMs.

@nick It’d be nice if there was a way in the app to get a CSV export of a summary of your usage per month broken down by type. It would make it easier to scan and see which bundle would be best to be on based on historical data.

Re. the limit, we weren’t expecting anyone to go above 60 GB given the price of add-ons, nor did we write it in our terms or pricing; that’ll change with the new shared data as it’s unsustainable for us.

CSV export is a great idea — we’ll do this after an updated-and-way-more-useful summary page.

[theenbyperor (Q 🦄)]

@smsm1

Ouch, that’s a lot of data for mobile, though I suppose I’m mostly on a cable or wifi at home.

Due to the lovely business of running my own ISP and not having a single router that everything goes through I can only guess at best but one router reports 276.15 GB of traffic so far this month, and I’d expect that to be maybe 1/4th to 1/3rd of my total internet usage.

[smsm1 (Shaun McDonald)]

@nick

Re. the limit, we weren’t expecting anyone to go above 60 GB given the price of add-ons, nor did we write it in our terms or pricing; that’ll change with the new shared data as it’s unsustainable for us.

Is this where the wholesale out of bundle costs are very high, rather than oh you’ve got a big bundle, so well give you a lower out of bundle rate. Could you have the option of a high out of bundle cost for above 60GB, this allowing people the option if they are willing to pay?

I suppose it’s where you’ll have more leverage our better pricing options if connected directly rather than through the enabler.

@nick

CSV export is a great idea — we’ll do this after an updated-and-way-more-useful summary page.

Excellent, getting the new pricing and summary page are definitely higher priority.

[smsm1 (Shaun McDonald)]

@snuggle

Window 10’s silent background updates that constantly download and fail to install.

One of those reasons why I’m glad there’s no Windows based computers in my house.

I though Windows had a way to say the network is metered thus limit some network traffic like automatic updates.

[snuggle (Evie Snuggle)]

I own no Windows devices besides a work laptop. My girlfriend works in game development as well, so there has to be just one Windows device at least.

Windows does supposedly have a feature to stop updates over metered connections but it doesn’t work.

Linux (Fedora) has a feature to stop updates over metered connections and even warns you when doing manual updates through GUI. It works amazingly by default!

[Gaoler]

@snuggle

Windows does supposedly have a feature to stop updates over metered connections but it doesn’t work

If you have a pihole, you can use a list like this:

https://www.optik-berndt.de/WinUpdate.txt

[snuggle (Evie Snuggle)]

I’m not quite sure how I’d get a PiHole setup in an apartment that is only served using a mobile data hotspot, most Raspberry Pi’s need ethernet as far as I know?

[knightfish]

When you say metered Windows doesn’t work… what do you mean? Do you get an error? Do you manually turn it on etc

[smsm1 (Shaun McDonald)]

The Raspbery Pi4 I have has WiFi.

From the tech specs:

2.4 GHz and 5.0 GHz IEEE 802.11ac wireless, Bluetooth 5.0, BLE
Gigabit Ethernet

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/specifications/

[Gaoler]

@smsm1

Raspbery Pi4

The Pi Zero W is enough for the pihole.

Setup with DietPi is also super simple

[Kolok]

Bear in mind there is quite a few vendors who push updates through windows update such as Adobe and most driver updates also come through there so printers, bios, ports, gpu etc

But windows OS updates shouldn’t be more than a couple of GB a month, I get consistently less than 0.6gb.

If you are running a program that needs additional Microsoft products such as SQL on your workstation then data usage will go up.

Even feature updates which are every 6 months or so are only ~3gb.

Your Org could be overriding settings that you modify, and can be pushing o365 updates and similar if it’s a managed device.

Proper off topic this.

[Kumnaa]

Is there an ETA on this? Last month you said next month but I know there has been a change of two.

I only ask because I’ve reduced my top-ups to eat up excess credit on my account before switching to bundles, and that credit is getting low so it’s now become a bit of a game of getting the credit to last without needing a top-up

[nick (Nick Goodall)]

@Kumnaa

Is there an ETA on this? Last month you said next month but I know there has been a change of two.

Yes; it’ll be live tomorrow afternoon (love a Friday deploy). Might not get the website updates finished, but we’ll be able to switch you across then.

[Kumnaa]

Is there still am option for PAYG calls as mentioned somewhere in the middle of this thread?

[nick (Nick Goodall)]

Yes! We’re doing away with the concept of “data-only” SIMs so they’ll come with PAYG calls & texts unless you specify the unlimited option.

[Kumnaa]

I know I could just wait until tomorrow but I love updating spread sheets!

Will PAYG sims be the same cost as the data bundles from right at the top of this thread? Just need to add the call costs on top?

[nick (Nick Goodall)]

@Kumnaa

I love updating spread sheets!

It’s addictive isn’t it?!

@Kumnaa

Will PAYG sims be the same cost as the data bundles from right at the top of this thread? Just need to add the call costs on top?

Yes, it’ll be the same costs minus the £5 for unlimited calls and texts, e.g. 1 GB for 1 SIM would be £5/month, then 3p/minute & 3p/SMS on top (data won’t be PAYG).

[jpc]

I’ve accrued some credit on the PAYG plan. What will happen to that if I move over to this pricing model?

[nick (Nick Goodall)]

@jpc

What will happen to that if I move over to this pricing model?

It’ll still exist under your account (renamed to ‘cash balance’), but we can put it towards one of the plans if that helps? That’s not automated, so send us a message and we can do it manually for you.